Emissions


  • Passenger travel and emmissions...
  • Jack Guest
    Flyless.info
    GMT 11:32
    15th Nov 2006
    Dear all,

    Amongst other things I run the information website www.flyless.info - a site dedicated to the soft sell of the benefits of travelling without flying, given the environmental impact of air travel.

    One of the major solutions we push is passenger travel by cargo ship. We promote the tour operators that provide bookings, and provide some focus on the aesthetic benefits of cargo ship travel.

    Doing some research today, however, I've discovered some conflicting information on how sustainable - primarily in terms of CO2 emissions - travel by cargo ship currently is, and how sustainable it can be in the future.

    Can anyone help clarify these questions?

    - Present day cargo ship travel -

    Sidestepping the debate about air travel, in summary it seems there really is no sustainable long or short-term solution for fast cross-ocean travel. The technology and economics will not allow it.

    The sustainable shift that is needed for transatlantic crossings and similar ocean crossings is 'slow travel'. By taking more time the journey can be made environmentally sound.

    The only present way to do this is by cargo ship. The ethos of slow travel can be practiced today, as I'm about to do travelling from the UK to Canada by cargo ship.

    However the information on how polluting cargo ships currently are seems mixed:

    "Despite the fact that shipping carries 75% of world trade, last week's Stern Report showed that shipping and rail combined produce only 1.75% of greenhouse gas emissions - compared with 10.5% for road transport"
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1942795,00.html

    "While oceangoing vessels worldwide account for just 2 to 3 percent of global fossil-fuel consumption, they are responsible for 14 percent of the nitrogen emissions from fossil fuels and 16 percent of all sulfur emissions from petroleum, according to a study by Carnegie Mellon University.

    One reason: cargo ships run on "bunker fuel," the dirtiest, cheapest product that remains after gas and other high-grade fuels are refined from crude oil. Bunker fuel contains up to 5,000 times more sulfur than diesel. As a result, according to Bluewater Network, a division of Friends of the Earth, a single container ship emits more pollution than 2,000 diesel trucks."
    http://www.grist.org/biz/tp/2006/05/23/shipping/

    My argument for passenger travel on cargo ships rather planes for long haul travel is as follows:

    Despite the increased cost, duration, potential for delay or cancellation, I am not supporting the unsustainable flight industry. I am instead 'free-riding' on the emissions of a separate industry - so not directly contributing to them, whilst at the same time, increasing the demand for and pushing the economics in the direction of, a return to long-haul passenger freight.

    - Future cargo ship travel -

    Firstly there seems to be great scope through the sails, fuel technology and so on to make cargo shipping much more sustainable (hence this website).

    As more people demand a 'slow travel' alternative to long-haul transatlantic and other flights, a market for dedicated passenger cargo travel could be created, using future sustainable shipping technology.

    The main stumbling block in all of this is getting people to accept the ethos of 'slow travel' and to start demanding it en-masse. This is slowly starting to happen, through the voluntary noflying movement, and is one purpose of my website and other work, and of the work of others.

    Am I on the right lines with these arguments?

    Is shipping currently so hideously unsustainable that I shouldn't even slightly support it with my passenger travel?

    Could a big shift in demand ever translate into a market for much greater passenger travel by cargo ship?

    And how quickly could cargo ship travel become much more sustainable than air travel, in terms of emissions per passenger?

  • Unni Einemo
    Petromedia Ltd (UK)

    GMT 15:27
    23rd Nov 2006
    Dear Jack,

    I hope I can help clarify the seemingly conflicting information about emissions from ships.

    It is true, as you're research has found, that shipping contributes a large share of global emissions of sulphur oxides (SOx) and Nitrogen oxides (NOx), but these gases are not greenhouse gases. The problems associated with these relate to formation of smoke that can harm human health, and acid rain. They are being addressed by global and regional regulations seeking to cut shipping emissions of these noxious gases, especially near populated areas.

    The primary greenhouse gas is CO2, and I have seen reports suggesting that shipping carries 90% of global trader while being responsible for less than 2% of global CO2 emissions, which makes it a superior mode of transport from a 'carbon footprint' perspective.

    On that basis, I would think you can continue to support passenger travel on cargo ships. You would still be 'free-riding' on emissions that would be generated in any case.

    I think you have a much bigger obstacle in getting people - not to mention employers - to accept the ethos of 'slow travel'.

    Short-haul journeys - maybe - but I can't really see anybody spending their limited holiday entitlements on going to long-haul destinations by boat, not to mention business trips.
  • Jamie Andrews
    Loco2 Ltd
    GMT 15:52
    13th Jan 2008
    IP: x.x.216.222
    Hi,

    I've just written about passenger travel on my blog - http://loco2travel.blogspot.com - and I have a question about the calculator on the homepage of this site. Can you tell me what the CO2 amounts are (does MT stand for mega-tonnes?) and over what period is that amount emitted (e.g. a 14-day trans-Atlantic crossing).

    Any more info gratefully received.

    Thanks,

    Jamie
  • Alisdair Pettigrew
    Blue Communications Ltd

    GMT 14:37
    17th Jan 2008
    IP: x.x.2.243
    Hi Jamie,

    Metric tonnes.

    Rgds
  • Guy Wilson-Roberts
    Petromedia Ltd (Canada)

    GMT 18:29
    17th Jan 2008
    IP: x.x.88.148
    Jamie - the emissions calculator on the site is based on the amount of fuel, in metric tonnes (mt), consumed by the ship. Consumption rates vary depending on the type of ship, its engines, and how those engines are run - and could be up to 300-350 mt per day.

    For a discussion on consumption, see here:
    http://www.bunkerworld.com/forum/Ask+Dr.+Vis/thread_22/?nf=true